A serious access precedent is currently unfolding in QLD that could well affect other areas in Australia without serious support from climbers around Australia (we need numbers to give strength to the voice).
In a nutshell, a new sport climbing area was developed (QLD's steepest crag), it was in a spot no other users would ever see or know about, and a very unique site for climbing. National Parks found out about the site and fined 4 key climbers $375 each, they also have ordered them to remove all bolts by Aug 31st or face a $6000 fine each!! If this is not challenged by climbers Australia-wide why wouldn't they move this approach to other sites.
The GOAL of the QLD Climbers Alliance is:
"to gain formal recognition of the needs of climbers by major landmanagers in QLD."
Please go to the site for more info. and register your support if you are concerned.
[http://www.queenslandclimbersalliance.org/]
Comments (10)
Jun 02, 2008
Gareth Llewellin says:
Here's a photo of the cave. It would be a shame to lose this area.Here's a photo of the cave. It would be a shame to lose this area.
http://www.chockstone.org/QLD/FlinderPeak/Members/GarethL/LikeAManOnPepperoni1l.jpg
Jun 03, 2008
Sally Jamison says:
it was in a spot no other users would ever see or know about Not the point, Adz...---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
it was in a spot no other users would ever see or know about
Not the point, Adz ...
I say good on the National Parks for doing their job, of preserving the geo-morphologically significant sites in Australia...wether those sites r obscure or not ...
Locking ppl in a cellar for years where others '...would (n)ever see or know about ...' , doesn't make it right, eh ...
fined 4 key climbers $375 each, they also have ordered them to remove all bolts by Aug 31st or face a $6000 fine each
I would like to see National Parks take the same action against the ppl who desecrated the once magnificent sweep of granite , now known as the Star Factory ...
Adz... you should be encouraging the MORAL-development of the new generation ... not just their tick-list-consumerism...
Cheers
Sally
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Jun 04, 2008
Adam Donoghue says:
Happy to enter into discussion with any real people with real ideas, not with yo...Happy to enter into discussion with any real people with real ideas, not with you 'Sally'?
Jun 07, 2008
Ash Gibb says:
from what I've heard/read sally has been banned off numerous climbing sites worl...from what I've heard/read sally has been banned off numerous climbing sites world wide for making stories up.. eg. totem pole collapsing in tassie.. climbers stick together not against each other, good on the guys for this effort, we dont distroy, we enjoy.. maybe the publish in crux¿¿?? was the killer or a society afraid of unknown, without spots like these, us climbers would lead a boring life, at least they did their best in preserving the area, even if it was a u.s bombing target you'd think it still would be behind army/airforce grounds not inviting the public.. I say climb and climb like never before
Jun 07, 2008
Sally Jamison says:
ICH '...SETZE GESCHICHTEN ZUSAMMEN...' !!!???!!! Wie steht's mit diesem dummen ...--------------------------------------------------------
ICH '...SETZE GESCHICHTEN ZUSAMMEN...' !!!???!!!
Wie steht's mit diesem dummen Amerikaner, Josh Higgins!!!
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=609778
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Jun 09, 2008
Gareth Llewellin says:
Du setze HINTERBACKEN zusammen...Du setze HINTERBACKEN zusammen...
Jun 10, 2008
Sally Jamison says:
:DJun 15, 2008
Simon Young says:
thats pretty crazy!! could set a very bad precedence! is there any particular re...thats pretty crazy!! could set a very bad precedence! is there any particular reason they've suddenly thrown the book regardign this area?? considering how many bolts are already in NP's around the place it seems odd to kick up a fuss now! those guys have my full support, what a shitty thing to have to go through! i hope the bolt police dont come to tassie, garry will have to mortgage the house!! haha
Jun 16, 2008
Adam Donoghue says:
Hey Simon yeh its a pretty full on development. No reason that this place has d...Hey Simon
yeh its a pretty full on development. No reason that this place has drawn more attention, I think it was just unlucky for the guys involved and a particular person in NP that has pushed it further than before.
There has just been a positive development for the climbers tho, NP have withdrawn the request to pull the bolts, they realised that it may put the climbers at risk in doing the bolt pulling, so they have withdrawn due to liability risk. Good outcome! Tho the personal fines still stand, and its now uncertain as to whether climbing will be allowed, so it will be good to nut out a long term solution with the land managers there.
Jun 20, 2008
Sally Jamison says:
considering how many bolts are already in NP's around the place it seems odd to ...-----------------------------------------------
considering how many bolts are already in NP's around the place it seems odd to kick up a fuss now
That's WHY they SHOULD , ' kick up a fuss '
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